
During the holidays I took my sister and her kids to the Ft. Worth Zoo. I was dismayed to find a sign with 30.06 wording (although it wasn't compliant with the statue) posted at the entrance. I have come to expect this sort of thing from this kind of institution, given the type of people who run them. However, recent changes in Texas law make it illegal for a city to post a 30.06 sign on city-owned property. Given that the sign was only visible once you'd given your ticket and entered the zoo, it caused me a brief moment of consternation until I remembered that the zoo is owned by the city of Ft. Worth (or so I thought; more on this below).
This has been bugging me, so I called the zoo this morning to discuss the matter. I started with someone in security and got transferred four times until I spoke to someone who had the answers. The biggest confusion came from a simple question: "Does the city of Ft. Worth own the zoo?" The short answer is that while the city owns the land and the buildings, the zoo association leases it from the city and (according to their lawyer's legal opinion) has the authority to post a 30.06 sign. This seems like an annoying loophole in the new law, but I suppose as a private entity holding claim to the land that the association is within its rights.
Given that they appear to have the right to post against concealed carry, I pointed out to this gentleman that it would serve everyone's interest if they'd post the sign at the ticket booth so we'd have a chance to avoid violating their wishes. As it was, the sign was only visible after you'd entered the zoo, putting you in violation. Further, the sign did not comply with the statute, which requires a specific message in both English and Spanish in 1-inch high letters. According to him, there was such a sign, but I never saw one. These signs are hard to miss, because they have to be huge to accomodate the required wording (which was done on purpose; sort of a scarlet letter approach to identify GFWs at a distance).
Interestingly enough, the person I spoke to told me that he also carried. I told him that I tended to avoid giving my money to organizations that don't want me there. I felt sorry for him as he tried to justify the ban on CHLs from the zoo with something lame about all the schoolkids who come through (i.e. he tried to say it's not that they don't want me there, just that they don't want the guns). Unfortunately, any argument against concealed carry that uses this approach just boils down to that they don't trust your judgement. Whatever. Barring a legal challenge to their opinion (which I am leaning towards agreement with), I won't be going back.
Posted by Aubrey at January 5, 2004 10:44 AM | TrackBackGFW = Gun Fearing Wuss?
Was gun violence perpetrated by licensed gun carriers previously a problem at the FW Zoo? I'm puzzled. What difference does it make to the zoo?
Posted by: Kevin White at January 5, 2004 09:17 PMYour take on GFW is correct. I borrowed that term from Kim du Toit and sometimes I forget to define it.
As far as I know, they haven't had any problems of this sort anywhere (CHL holders tend to be pretty law-abiding sorts). I'm not sure what the deal is with the zoo. In some respects I think they may be opening themselves up to more liability by posting the 30.06 sign that if they'd just not taken any stand on the issue. By prohibiting CHL holders from carrying on the premises, it would seem to me that they are taking on a greater responsibility to protect them. If an incident of violence occurred, and it could be reasonably shown that the CHL holder could have defended themselves or others, then it would seem that the zoo would be negligent for preventing the CHL holder from carrying. On the other hand, if something happens and a CHL holder injures an innocent bystander, the responsibility rests on the CHL holder, not the zoo (although I'm sure some lawyer somewhere would try to sue the zoo as well).
I recall during the initial debate by businesses over whether to post or not that someone posited the above--that a business was better off not taking any position on concealed carry in terms of liability.
Posted by: Aubrey Turner at January 5, 2004 09:33 PMI won't go back there. Too bad, it's a nice zoo.
Posted by: Kim du Toit at January 7, 2004 05:10 PMYes, they need to ammend the law to require the sign to be posted at all entrances and to be prior to paying an admission fee, etc...
You know that some bonehead on the zoo board envisioned bubba with his 6-shooter drawing a bead on one of the animals and decided a ban would be prudent.
Fry's Electronics has a sort-of 30.06 sign -- its white letters stuck on glass, and only in English. I'm sure once a case got to court it would be thrown out on this technicality, but it would cost some bucks to get this far.
I have also seen a trend towards car dealerships posting the 30.06 signs, either at the parking lot gates or at the door to the showroom. Of course the ones with the signs posted tend to be the ones most likely to rip you off...
Posted by: Bill Boyer at February 1, 2004 12:08 PM